Are Aborted Babies
Granted
Free Sainthood ?
The following has been inserted into a book being published this year (1997) entitled, Post Abortion Syndrome -- Stories of Family Destruction. The initial chapters are available for perusal.
* Publisher's Comment:
In many locations in this book, particularly in personal testimonies, there are references to aborted babies being in Heaven, or similar statements. Theologically this is unsound. There are no free rides into Heaven for anyone. Entry into Heaven requires faith in God and the activities that flow there from. Vicarious baptism does not satisfy the requirement of personal faith. It is comfortable, but purely humanistic, to believe and/or teach otherwise. At the instant of conception an eternal soul comes into being. It should be believed that in justice God gives each and every eternal soul a decisive opportunity for salvation. If the opportunity for salvation is not available in this life, then it must, in justice, be made available in an undefined existence of unknown duration after mortal death but before judgement.
It is good to pray for the soul of any departed person in order that grace flowing from such prayers will aid them in their unfinished pilgrimage. Humanistic notions' presented for the purpose of temporarily making another feel good is in the long term counterproductive. Giving someone reason to pray for another is to encourage good. Women who have had an abortion, and have a basic belief in eternal life, should be given to understand that their child/children can benefit from their prayers. These prayers can be made starting with whatever degree of faith they currently have. Such prayers, when united with the desire for their own increase for faith in God, can benefit their children who are now on their own personal pilgrimage which will determine their salvation. (Post abortion counselors should make special note of related beneficial therapy.)
9 February 1998
Points for Reflection by Primary Author
A NATION DECEIVED
Since the Bible no where states that there is an age of accountability whereby those who die before that age will automatically be saved, why have we been told or how have so many come to believe that unborn babies murdered by abortion go straight to Heaven?
Is it possible that we have been deceived by clergy of all denominations who would rather tell us what we want to hear than preach the truth of God's Word?
Eleanor Ramsey
The following is excerpted from a letter written to the president of
an organization which counsels post abortive women and families.
December 23, 1997
While I believe your promotion of murder by abortion was inadvertent, I am none the less deeply disappointed. While I sincerely understand your desires in regard to post abortion healing, – I am about to publish a book on the subject myself written by volunteers – The promotion of error in this regard is counterproductive in that others may be given reason to have abortions.
About two years ago I was a guest on the Geraldo Show. Geraldo had me placed in the center of a group of eight people next to an abortionist – Dr. Bruce Lucero – who later sued me for about 1.2 million dollars. He lost the suit. The following is from a letter which includes a transcript of part of the dialog. It should be self-explanatory:
59. During the Geraldo Show (see below) Dr. Lucero made a statement concerning his belief that the soul of a preborn infant goes directly to Heaven. Therefore, he is asserting both scientifically (he is a licensed medical doctor) and spiritually (he claims to be a Christian believer) that there is human life in the womb from conception onward. He quoted two Bible passages as proof of his assertion that there is human life, with a spiritual soul, following conception. The quotes were founded on his erroneous understanding of Scripture. He maintains that the quotes support his position that children who are killed by abortion go directly to Heaven. This is of course theologically unsound even though it is easily seen to be a highly desirable position for mothers to take who have had their children murdered.
60. What mother wants to believe that her murdered child (and this is how they commonly think of it at some future time) may not be in the hands of God. In the Catholic Church Dr. Lucero's position is totally without foundation and in error. There is nothing in Catholic or common Christian teaching to even remotely support this position. In the Catholic popular mind unbaptized children go to a place called Limbo. This is neither a state of happiness in the presence of God nor is it a place or condition of suffering. This position has no sound support in Catholic teaching. The statement of the existence of Limbo is still however found in some Catholic catechisms today.
GERALDO SHOW (sound tract excerpt - questions asked by Geraldo):
Geraldo: Dr. Lucero, you've sat quietly next to a man who would like to see you dead.
Lucero: Well I think they --- (thus far he is not thinking of or concerned with Father Trosch as an individual) --- are wrong on three accounts. First of all many of us are religious and we believe that if the fetus is aborted it goes to Heaven. And after all Heaven's a lot better place than here so what's so bad about that?
Trosch: Oh you're encouraging murder.
Dinwiddie: Lucero, wait a minute, wait a minute, how can it go to Heaven if its not a person?
Lucero: Excuse me, excuse me.
Dinwiddie: How, how can a baby go to Heaven if its not a person?
Lucero: The second thing is ---
Trosch: Answer her question.
Dinwiddie: Yes. That's a legitimate question.
Lucero: It's in the Bible.
Dinwiddie: No it is not.
Trosch: It's not in the Bible.
Lucero: i. If thy mother and father forsake it the Lord will take me up.
ii. It says if we live for the Lord, we will die for the Lord.
COMMENTARY (inserted by Father Trosch):
i. Ps 27:10 Even if my father and mother forsake me, the LORD will take me in.
This is one of King David's psalms referring to a proven just man's established relationship with God. The concept of the passage referring to the unborn is ludicrous.
ii. Rm 14:8 For if we live, we live for the Lord, and if we die, we die for the Lord; so then, whether we live or die, we are the Lord's.
In this letter of St. Paul to the Romans, St. Paul's comments concern those who already have an established positive relationship with God. Here again Lucero is distorting the meaning of a Bible passage to serve his own purposes.
NOTE: By distorting Scripture passages Lucero has little if anything to lose. His intention of placating women with little moral training and torn by indecision or regret is condemnable. His relationship with God is negative due to his abortion activities. His religious beliefs are under the control of Satan. He is doomed without sincere repentance.
The above is excerpted from a document dated March 7, 1996 and written to the lawsuit trail judge – The full document can be found at: http://www.trosch.org/wri/l-v-t-5p.htm
Charles R. Butler, Jr., Chief District Judge
United States District Court, Southern District of AL, Southern Division
Re: Statement Concerning "Lucero vs Trosch" Case No. 95-0308-CV-M
As did Lucero, you have made the popular error of arriving at a conclusion and then fitting Scripture passages to it to give it authenticity. Your document shifts back and forth in a searching pattern but still leaves those who want emotional answers the opportunity of focusing on statements such as:
- It is important for such believers to open their hearts to the. . . convincing evidence that God has saved the unborn victims of abortion.
- First, once all members of Christ's Body accept that aborted babies "live in the arms of Christ,"
- That Christ should not claim the unborn as His own is unimaginable,
- "vicarious baptism of desire"
Much of your presentation is interesting, noteworthy, and valid. But, as long as it presents a position which can encourage abortion I must register protest. God's truths may never be set aside for humanistic reasons no matter how worthy they may seem.
If any person is given a free ride into Heaven then all must be given that same free ride or God is not just (giving favor to the unborn). If anyone is given free ride into Heaven then the purpose of God's creation of human life ceases to have validity. He might just as well have zapped everyone directly into Heaven.
The following statement is to help you focus better on my position: "I do not believe that the innocent unbaptized go to Heaven, Hell, or Limbo. And, since souls are immortal from the instant of conception, they cannot cease to exist." (NOTE: Reincarnation whether in human form or as a lower form of life is not Christian belief and is rejected.)
This document posted: 30 December 1997
Complete Spiritual-Soul at Instant of Conception
At conception God places a living eternal spirit
The Goal and Process of Creation – Explaining A Counter-Spiritual Effect of Abortion
Constitutional Persons, Conception & Effect of Abortion on Eternal Life
Suffering in Hell Relating to God God is Love
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