Insulting Jesus in Eucharistic Liturgy

The Eucharistic Liturgy
Promulgated under Pope Paul VI : By some referred to as the Novus Ordo Mass

Insults Jesus

Summary and Recommendations
Concerning Perceived Errors

The ignoring of Jesus, immediately following the consecration, by referring to Him in the third person (speaking about someone either not present, or, as though he was not present), should be understood as a sign of disbelief in His real presence and is especially insulting when proclaimed by those who claim belief. NOTE: This occurs while the celebrant priest is facing the congregation, over the altar where by miraculous activity Jesus has just become present. Both priest and congregation sing or say –while ignoring the cognizant Jesus– what is portrayed to be the mystery of faith. The most commonly selected choice is the following:

Christ has died,         - third person, past tense
Christ is risen,         - third person, any tense
Christ will come again.  - third person, future tense

There is no recognition that Jesus is now present.

Jesus is being insulted by people talking over Him as though He were not there. Additionally, instead of acknowledging His presence, they talk about some future time when He will be present as He had been in the past. Those without faith do not see or accept the living Jesus in the bodily form now present. His presence could have been acknowledged using the following words:

Lord, You have died,         - first person - being addressed
Lord, You have risen,        - first person - being addressed
Lord, You are here again.    - first person, present tense

Or better (perhaps best solemnly said in unison – not sung):

Lord, thank you for dying for repentant sinners.
Lord, thank you for attesting to resurrection.
Thank you, Jesus, for being with us this day.

In the above two versions Jesus is being addressed directly.
His current existence following consecration by a moral priest is being acknowledged.

E-mail contesting the above presentation is at the end of this document.

Links to a revision of the Liturgy of the Eucharist with theological explanations for changes
and a commentary concerning why 80% of those who claim to be Catholic
no longer believe in the defining act of faith – belief in the real presence
of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist (Hypocrisy of Bishops)
are found at the end of this document.

The following quotations are from "Windswept House" by Father Malachi Martin © 1996.

The following references are in relation to Karol Józef Wojtyla (Pope John Paul II) :

" ' I will follow in the footsteps of my three predecessors. I will make it my papal business to implement the spirit and the letter of the Second Vatican Council.' "

"For over a dozen years as pope, and no matter how indolently, how heretically, or in unholy a manner his bishops governed their dioceses, he did not interfere.
When bishops in their thousands proceeded to introduce nontraditional teachings in their seminaries, to allow the blight of homosexuality to flourish among the clergy, to adapt Roman Catholic ceremonies to any of a half dozen "inculturations"—to New Rituals; to a "Hinduization"; to an "Americanization"—the Slavic Pope did not go after the perpetrators of the implied or actual heresies and immoralities. On the contrary. He let them be."
Deadly sin of sacrilegious omission :
Automatic excommunication for heresy and apostasy.

"He visited every kind of temple, shrine, sacred grove, holy cave, drinking magic drinks, eating mystical foods, accepting the sign of pagan deities on his forehead, speaking on an equal basis with heretical patriarchs, schismatic bishops, doctrinally erring theologians, even admitting them to St. Peter's Basilica and concelebrating a sacred liturgy with them."
Idolatry and heresy – penalty: automatic excommunication.

Although some have questioned whether John Paul II was legally the pope, this is not a position I accept. Concerning whether he was morally the pope is another consideration. Father Martin stated in his book concerning Karol Wojtyla (John Paul II), "I have made it a point to read some of his earlier speeches. Since 1976 he's been talking about the inevitability of change. About the oncoming rush of nations into a New World Order."

The New World Order has been the goal of the Illuminati, the Freemasons, and a variety of related occult societies. To promote the New World Order is the equivalent of announcing that one is a member of one or more of these organizations. As such one would be under automatic excommunication and could not morally be in, or morally retain priesthood. This is found in the then existing (and in my understanding still valid) 1917 Code of Canon Law that is founded upon the teachings of many prior moral popes.

Canon 2335 Those giving their name to Masonic sects or other associations of this sort that machinate against the Church or legitimate civil powers contract by that fact excommunication simply reserved to the Apostolic See. (c. 2335).

Canon 2336 § 2. Moreover clerics and religious giving their names to Masonic sects and other similar associations must be denounced to the Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office.

Canon 2338 § 2. Those offering any sort of help or favor to a banned excommunicate in the delict for which he is excommunicated, and likewise clerics who knowingly and freely communicate in divine things with same and receive [the offender] in divine offices, incur upon that fact excommunication simply reserved to the Apostolic See.

In my mind it is unquestionable that from John XXIII through to the present pope, Benedict XVI, that the papal office has been and is being held by men who are legally holding the office of pope. I fully support the papacy but believe that anyone holding priestly office should be validated¹ according to the directive of Saint John. This would especially include those holding high office, most particularly that of pope.
If one does not morally hold the a designated office then anything that he does regarding faith and morals is invalid. Such a man cannot make declarations or impose restrictions upon those whom they would otherwise have binding jurisdiction. They would still be able to perform civil actions and confect six of the seven Holy Sacraments.
Where the moral aspect is dependant upon the recipient, then the priest would provide the legal aspect of the sacrament. The sacrament of the Holy Eucharist is the only sacrament wherein the priest holds the double function. It is therefore my belief that such priests do not convert the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus. Consequently, when the faithful leave church they do not bring Jesus with them driving demons out before Him. This would explain why the world is becoming progressively more hedonistic. Surveys indicate that from 70% to 80% of Catholics no longer believe in the real presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. This figure includes priests of all ranks. NOTE: Laws pertaining to moral office holders do not of necessity apply to legal only personages.

do not trust every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they belong to God

Addition June 2006

Non Catholic Christians who participate in some form of Holy Communion do not pass the test of faith concerning belief in the full and real presence of Jesus (material and spiritual) in the consecrated Bread and Wine, with few exceptions. In their regard however it would only make a modicum of difference¹ since He is not actually present in their eucharist anyway. Only morally ordained priests who are in line (direct) successors of the eleven apostles [Jn. 13:26-27], legally and morally ordained during the last supper, have the authority of Jesus to validly consecrate bread and wine in order to bring Him fully present under each new material form of existence.

including priests

perfection abhors coexisting with evil

² Heresy; apostasy; schism; desecration of the Eucharist by act, omission, or intent; teaching approval of abortion by act or by failure to teach against; and other offenses. (The moral holding of priestly office, in addition to legal status, has bearing under some circumstances.)

Belief in the material presence of Jesus –combined with willingness to consume Him by reason of His command [Jn. 6:53]– in the consecrated Bread and Wine, is the test of true faith. Many say they believe, but few are able to honestly acknowledge their faith when put to the test. [Jn. 6:66] For those who believe – that God is the Creator, all powerful, totally good and holy, are (referencing the Holy Trinity) unlimited in capacity and ability, and are not limited to a particular form or shape, there should be no difficulty in accepting that Jesus is capable of using any composition or shape of material that He desires.While not intending to limit the foregoing, it is useful to understand that among the reasons bread and wine were chosen is that both are considered as being dynamic in the sense that they naturally transform (their composition undergoes change).

Are most who call themselves Catholic in better relationship with God
than non Catholic Christians – or non Christian believers?

Here it is important to distinguish between a person with legal standing only, and one with both moral and legal standing. A legal Catholic (baptism of water) is one who has been baptized according to the tenants of law. A moral Catholic (baptism of spirit) is one who accepts the teachings of Jesus through faith – one who accepts truth when found and then puts it into practice is considered to come under the umbrella of the Catholic Church [Jn. 3:5; Mt. 28:19].

A Catholic maintains his moral standing until he has committed an offense that brings about automatic excommunication or the moral equivalent. (Moral standing in the Church is maintained even in the state of mortal sin, but such person, if unrepentant at death, suffers the fires of eternal damnation.) While such a person may repent, it is reasonable to understand that the gravity of some offenses, particularly certain grave offenses committed over and extended period of time, precludes openness to salvation. [Jn. 13:27 – Condemnation of Judas Iscariot by Jesus]

Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD; he did not follow him unreservedly as his father David had done. Solomon then built a high place to Chemosh, the idol of Moab, and to Molech, the idol of the Ammonites, on the hill opposite Jerusalem. [1 Kings 11:6-7]
The LORD, therefore, became angry with Solomon, because his heart was turned away from the LORD, the God of Israel, who had appeared to him twice [1 Kings 11:9]

Analysis of the Liturgy of the Eucharist can be found by clicking here. Linked to the page is the analysis of Eucharistic Prayers One through Four. Adjusted versions are also linked along with Adobe PDF printable versions (8½" x 11"). Also linked are convenient PDF files that can be used for congregational responses for the full Mass. They can be printed out on 8½" x 14" legal size paper by following instructions.

An associated commentary concerning bishops and the Vatican can be found by clicking here. As people who are sensitive to their faith already know; there is not much right with the hierarchy of today's Church. However, do not be misled, The true teachings of the Church are forever valid. They must be understood in a correct hierarchial order concerning teachings and authorities. Please see this document for explanation: CHRISTIAN Levels of Belief and Structures of Authority – There are additional documents linked at the end of this web page.

While all bishops do not fall into the liberal category, many who are not come under the jurisdiction of Revelation 21:8 –

"But as for cowards, the unfaithful, the depraved, murderers, the unchaste,
sorcerers, idol-worshipers, and deceivers of every sort,
their lot is in the burning pool of fire and sulfur,
which is the second death."

Failures or omissions by the cowardly, the insecure in faith. Why do the bishops not teach in faith?

The Lord's Prayer: "deliver us from evil."
Corrected translations say: "deliver us from the evil one."
The ending of the traditional form of the Glory Be is as follows:
The revised version used by priests when saying the office since 1975 is as follows:
Are the bishops fearful of telling people of faith that the world will one day come to an end?
How long will it be before bishops accept the Protestant position of:
- Peace on earth. Good will towards men.
Instead of the proper understanding:
- Peace on earth to men of good will.

Feast of Saint Jerome

Letter contesting presentation concerning "The Mystery of Faith:" with responses:

From: Louie (In blue)
Subject: RE: Eucharistic liturgy 'error'
At 02:50 PM 10/23/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Thanks for your response, Father. I respectfully disagree, though, and do not think I missed the point. I took your point very well but it's your point that I disagree with. (I do not presume to preach to you here, rather to make my point)

The priest says, "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith" and we respond "Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again."

After the Agnus Dei the priest holds forth the consecrated host and says: "This is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world. Happy are those who are called to his supper."

We respond, "Lord, I am not worthy to receive you, but only say the word and I shall be healed."

It seems crystal clear to me that the priest is saying EXACTLY and PRECISELY that our Lord is present in the Host and at the altar. We acknowledge His presence in the liturgy. I suppose I'd have to ask "what more need we say?" I don't know about other altars, but my Lord Jesus Christ has been present at all of the altars I've been to before. It's unfortunate you don't see Him there.

Louie's reply (In blue) – Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2002 13:14:18 -0500

Father; thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my comments! I really wasn't expecting such a thorough reply and I truly appreciate it. I am the RCIA Director at my parish and your missive will be invaluable ... thank you, and thank your for your patience with me! My comments are interspersed below in blue.

Father Trosch response October 24, 2002:

Louie, I understand what you are saying and in part agree. First however you should understand that the mystery of faith is that Jesus is in the matter of the bread and wine, not as portrayed in the response verses.

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?" Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever." These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, "This saying is hard; who can accept it?" Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, "Does this shock you? What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe." Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him. And he said, "For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father."
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him. [John 6:52-66]

What explanation do you have that surveys accepted by priests acknowledge that 80% of Catholics no longer believe in the full presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist?

If priests and Catholics truly believed that Jesus is present why do they not address Him directly?

"Lord, You have died." "Lord, You are risen." "Lord, You are here again."

Why does the priest and the congregation talk over Him instead of to Him? At the very least it must be considered as being impolite to talk over Him instead of to Him.

Please note another error. Jesus does not take away the sins of the world.

The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. [John 1:29]

The position, "takes away the sins of the World," is clearly a false liberal belief. Jesus' death [in this context] only takes away the consequence of Adam's sin; eternal separation from God for those who truly love Him and keep His word. All personal sins must be individually forgiven in order to benefit from Jesus' salvific action of being obedient to the command of His Father.

I could find only once in the Tridentine Rite when the priest proclaims the mystery of faith, that being during the consecration of the wine only. Is there an other instance where it is so proclaimed?

Fr. Trosch reply 27 Oct. 2002:

At Mass, No. The declaration, "For this is the Chalice of my Blood of the new and eternal covenant: the mystery of faith. which shall be shed for you and for many unto the forgiveness of sins." reinforces the concept that the existence of Jesus in the consecrated wine is the mystery of faith – this by extension would also include the reality of Jesus in the form of Consecrated Bread.

The grave concerns expressed in of the following canons from the Council of Trent also lend to the concept that transubstantiation is the "Mystery of Faith."

COUNCIL OF TRENT -- THIRTEENTH SESSION. THE HOLY EUCHARIST 79-80
CANONS ON THE MOST HOLY SACRAMENT OF THE EUCHARIST

Canon 1. If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ,⁴² but says that He is in it only as in a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema [condemned].
Can. 2. If anyone says that in the sacred and holy sacrament of the Eucharist the substance of the bread and wine remains conjointly with the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, and denies that wonderful and singular change of the whole substance of the bread into the body and the whole substance of the wine into the blood, the appearances only of bread and wine remaining, which change the Catholic Church most aptly calls transubstantiation,⁴³ let him be anathema.
Can. 3. If anyone denies that in the venerable sacrament of the Eucharist the whole Christ is contained under each form and under every part of each form when separated,⁴⁴ let him be anathema.
Can. 4. If anyone says that after the consecration is completed, the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ are not in the admirable sacrament of the Eucharist,⁴⁵ but are there only in usu, while being taken and not before or after, and that in the hosts or consecrated particles which are reserved or which remain after communion, the true body of the Lord does not remain, let him be anathema.
Can. 5. If anyone says that the principal fruit of the most Holy Eucharist is the remission of sins, or that other effects do not result from it,⁴⁶ let him be anathema.
Can. 6. If anyone says that in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist, Christ, the only begotten Son of God, is not to be adored with the worship of latria,⁴⁷ also outwardly manifested, and is consequently neither to be venerated with a special festive solemnity, nor to be solemnly borne about in procession according to the laudable and universal rite and custom of holy Church, or is not to be set publicly before the people to be adored and that the adorers thereof are idolaters, let him be anathema.
Can. 7. If anyone says that it is not lawful that the Holy Eucharist be reserved in a sacred place, but immediately after consecration must necessarily be distributed among those present,⁴⁸ or that it is not lawful that it be carried with honor to the sick, let him be anathema.
Can. 8. If anyone says that Christ received in the Eucharist is received spiritually only and not also sacramentally and really,⁴⁹ let him be anathema.
Can. 9. If anyone denies that each and all of Christ's faithful of both sexes are bound, when they have reached the years of discretion, to communicate every year at least at Easter,⁵⁰ in accordance with the precept of holy mother Church, let him be anathema.
Can. 10. If anyone says that it is not lawful for the priest celebrating to communicate himself,⁵¹ let him be anathema.
Can. 11. If anyone says that faith alone is a sufficient preparation for receiving the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist,⁵² let him be anathema. And lest so great a sacrament be received unworthily and hence unto death and condemnation, this holy council ordains and declares that sacramental confession, when a confessor can be had, must necessarily be made beforehand by those whose conscience is burdened with mortal sin, however contrite they may consider themselves. Moreover, if anyone shall presume to teach, preach or obstinately assert, or in public disputation defend the contrary, he shall be eo ipso excommunicated.

The below passages from Sacred Scripture may be seen
to lead to the same concept or to a different perspective:

When you read this you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to human beings in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit, that the Gentiles are coheirs, members of the same body, and copartners in the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel. [Ephes. 3:4-6]
and to bring to light (for all) what is the plan of the mystery hidden from ages past in God who created all things, [Ephes. 3:9]
the mystery hidden from ages and from generations past. But now it has been manifested to his holy ones, to whom God chose to make known the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; it is Christ in you, the hope for glory. [Col. 1:26-27]
that their hearts may be encouraged as they are brought together in love, to have all the richness of fully assured understanding, for the knowledge of the mystery of God, Christ, [Col. 2:2]
Similarly, deacons must be dignified, not deceitful, not addicted to drink, not greedy for sordid gain, holding fast to the mystery of the faith with a clear conscience. [1 Tim. 3:8-9]

I was not aware at all that a survey showed that 80% of Catholics no longer believe in the full and actual presence of our Lord in the Holy Eucharist! I am personally unaware of any of my fellow parishioners that believe so, but I think that may be because I just assumed that to be Catholic was to believe in the Divine Presence. I have heard of some parishes even moving their tabernacles out of the sanctuary but I have not been anywhere where that was so.

The Latin for the liturgy is "Ecce Agnus Dei, ecce qui tollit peccata mundi," "peccata" being "sins" (plural) and not "sin" (singular). Is that correct?

That is correct. However, every Bible translation I have checked, including Protestant versions and the Douay-Rheims translated from the Latin Vulgate, has John 1:29 reading "sin of the world." I do not know the origin of the discrepancy. It may be that confusion arose from the following – also referred to before:

"For this is the Chalice of my Blood of the new and eternal covenant:
the mystery of faith.
which shall be shed for you and for many unto the forgiveness of sins."

In one case the reference is to the sin of Adam (one sin) that wrought eternal separation form God. The above acknowledges that Jesus also died for personal sin that has been expunged through faith. It seems probable that either the liturgists misread the concept or that what in effect is heresy was intentionally introduced through a desire for an easy entry into Heaven.

I'm not suggesting that it's right because it's "always been that way" but this was my understanding.

I do now and have always believed in the full living material presence of Jesus in His divine nature in the Holy Eucharist. [It is because I believe so strongly in the presence of the body, blood, soul, and divinity in the Holy Eucharistic that I deem any insult or diminishment concerning His presence that I have written against making reference about Him rather than talking to Him fully present.]

Please accept my very humble apology for even thinking to suggest otherwise.

Why is it that in churches people no longer kneel to receive Jesus when just at the name of Jesus every knee should bend? for it is written:

every knee shall bend before me

[Romans 14:11]

that at the name of Jesus every knee should bend,
of those in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [Philip. 2:10]

How is it that without a positive sign of humility that the following statement can be believed to have meaning?

but only say the word and I shall be healed."

If one has properly gone to confession and been forgiven he has already been healed. Do you consider that the vast numbers of people who fail even to make their annual confession have been healed, or is this a hypocritical way of denigrating God's authority given to priests to individually forgive sins?

I agree whole-heartedly, and though communion rails are disappearing at an alarming rate, at the least the new GIRM says that all should "bow profoundly" before approaching the altar to receive our Lord. I know it's not the same, and agree that it falls far short. I still genuflect when I approach the altar to receive and have been told that I've inspired others to do so.

Again ... please accept my apology for my antagonistic tone in my previous correspondence. I do assure you, though, that those being initiated in my parish are given to understand very clearly that our Lord Jesus Christ is fully, physically, spiritually present in the Holy Eucharist and that proper respect is due Him.

Yours in Christ,
Louie

Sincerely in Christ,
Fr. David

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